Beauty Queen Dares Not To Be Thin

Yeah, the too-thin olsen-twin-esque has never been my bag. My friends think I'm nuts, but I just don't find thin women that attractive. It also says something about who they are that they worry that much about how society sees them.

Chloe is to me, perfect.

What a crass and lewd simplistic comment! It's completely puerile, sophomoric and lacking in ettiquette to say such a thing.

... of course, I'd hit it, too! ;)

#14. :)

I'd break me off a piece of that, wax it and tap it; flip it up, smack it and rub it down.

after a nice dinner and some lovely conversation about world peace and helping underprivileged children learn to read of course...

Some of the resources I've looked at disagree. A woman with a large build who is 5' 10" tall and weighs 176 pounds can be considered healthy. The fact that she jobs, swims and lift weights supports this. Remember when the BMI index said George Foreman was morbidly obese? There can always be exceptions to stats and generalities.

The fact that she jobs, swims and lift weights supports this.

Funny that the photo does not support it then...

If she regularly jogs, swims, and lifts weights while eating healthily - she would have muscles, not fat. I'm a six foot tall man, and I would be upset if I hit 176 pounds...

I am also six feet tall and if I weighed 176lbs it would be because i got ebola or something. You must be skin and bones because Im muscular at six feet and I weigh 230lbs.

Muscle does weigh more than fat....

You must be skin and bones because Im muscular at six feet and I weigh 230lbs.

True. I am pretty much skin and bones. Then again, according to this site I am 18 pounds underweight, while you are 34 pounds overweight. She would only be 11 pounds overweight. So, it's pretty clear that muscle weighs more than fat - but nothing weighs even less.

Hahahahahaha.

Ah, that was brilliant.

They say if you don't eat anything fatty, sweet or salty, never have a drink, and go to bed at 8pm every night you'll live longer.

Or at least it will feel that way...

Hehehe...precisely.

I avoid fast food and junk food. I eat balanced meals and rarely, rarely snack. But if I want a little ice cream, I will have it, then spend 10 more minutes on the rowing machine the next day, or reduce my lunch. Would I want to be a size 2? Sure, it would be great to fit into those bitty clothes, but it's not possible with the body I have, so why make myself miserable and fight for an unattainable goal? Better to be happy with who I am than to be regretful and hating myself :)

I'd say that the single most damaging thing people do, health-wise, is drink soft-drinks.

Many people get more calories from that than anything else.

Not to mention, High-Fructose corn syrup isn't you're typical calorie.
And diet sodas, they've found, aren't any better than regulars.

As for that girl, well honestly I don't think she's that pretty. But I'm not one for skinny girls, either.

Didn't Marilyn Monroe-type bodies used to be the model of beauty?

I avoid soft drinks and really most empty calorie drinks. Any food with HFCS isn't going to get into my shopping basket.

I seriously laughed out loud!

What a horrid attitude.

I guess you are Brad Pitt's twin?

It was a joke. Lighten up a little. Oh man, I kill myself. "Lighten up."

A "chunk chaser" is funny?

Hmmm, maybe to an 8 year old.

It has such a lovely alliterative quality and makes me giggle. No, I'm not an eight year old, but can be admittedly immature at times. Seriously though, doesn't life get exhausting being so ultra-sensitive?

I have a great sense of humor. But words like "chunk chaser" make it seem that there is something wrong with being a healthy size, or that we bigger women are undesirable. There are tasteful (heh) ways to communicate that you don't like larger women, but "chunk chaser" is childish in my book.

But hey, there are lots of evolved men above, in this discussion which is nice to see.

Wow, that's rather hypocritical of you.

So it's alright for you to tell me I have a mental illness, but we can't call you chunky?

Firstly, since when is being overweight healthy? Clearly being too thin is unhealthy and I prefer a voluptuous woman over a rail-thin one any day. Voluptuous and amorphous are two very different things, however. Secondly, I never said anything about not liking "bigger women" as I was commenting on what other people might be thinking about what happened to be on my screen. Please don't put words in my mouth. Thirdly, allow me to reiterate it was a joke and I believe you are being extremely sensitive. Finally, preferring overweight women means that a man is more "evolved"? I simply don't understand that whatsoever. Would you prefer that I'd left a comment like, "I'd hit that" or "Would love to tap that a$$" like the other "evolved" men above?

Word.

Robbie, I said anorexia and bulimia are mental illnesses...look in the DSM, they are there. Nothing incorrect about that statement.

s I was commenting on what other people might be thinking about what happened to be on my screen.

Heaven forbid that someone see a bigger woman on your screen and think you might like her. How truly terrible. It would be a shallow person that would think anything of it, or to worry about what others might be thinking, IMO. If she were on crutches or had, say, cerebral palsy, would you be a "cripple chaser?" Would you yuk it up and laugh about that?

Some jokes aren't funny and I will say something when they happen in my eye or earshot. If you are going to be inflammatory in language, expect to get called on it.

Robbie, I said anorexia and bulimia are mental illnesses...look in the DSM, they are there. Nothing incorrect about that statement.

It doesn't mean it's right. It says on the internets too that the war in Iraq was justified. It also says somewhere that all Muslims are terrorists. I mean come on. As I said, just 'cause Dr. Phil said so, doesn't mean it's right. I can give a million more (better) examples to prove my point.

You told me that I have a mental illness. You told me my closest friends and family have mental illnesses. You should be old enough by now to make your own opinion on the matter and not follow the trend of 'Because we said so.'

As for the joke, it wasn't the funniest I've ever heard, but it was still funny and was hardly inflammatory. However you have no right to call it out.

The trend of the overweight being proud and "owning" their bodies needs to stop. Obesity is an epidemic and a costly one, whether measured in dollars or deaths. It's not an earmark of someone who is confident and comfortable in his/her skin. The celebration of weight gain is wrong. I encourage you to peruse the slide show. It is extremely informative.

The Hidden Cost of Obesity

However you have no right to call it out.

Really? Where it is written that I cannot have an opinion.

Maybe when you go to medical school and have some research experience, I'll take your word over that of the top reference for mental disorders, the DSM IV

Psychiatric Diagnoses are categorized by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th. Edition. Better known as the DSM-IV, the manual is published by the American Psychiatric Association and covers all mental health disorders for both children and adults. It also lists known causes of these disorders, statistics in terms of gender, age at onset, and prognosis as well as some research concerning the optimal treatment approaches.

Mental Health Professionals use this manual when working with patients in order to better understand their illness and potential treatment and to help 3rd party payers (e.g., insurance) understand the needs of the patient. The book is typically considered the 'bible' for any professional who makes psychiatric diagnoses in the United States and many other countries. Much of the diagnostic information on these pages is gathered from the DSM IV.

The DSM IV is published by the American Psychiatric Association. Much of the information from the Psychiatric Disorders pages is summarized from the pages of this text. Should any questions arise concerning incongruencies or inaccurate information, you should always default to the DSM as the ultimate guide to mental disorders.

The DSM uses a multiaxial or multidimensional approach to diagnosing because rarely do other factors in a person's life not impact their mental health. It assesses five dimensions as described below:

You and your buddies thinking something is ok is all good and well, but I tend to prefer science..especially when I know as well that those with problems are often the last to admit it. I mean, if you have proof that the DSM IV is wrong from a science perspective, post it.

The trend of the overweight being proud and "owning" their bodies needs to stop.

Yes, it is preferable that those of us who are bigger feel shamed and depressed, right? When I was swimming 2-3 hours a day, I was a size 12, which I have a feeling you'd consider obese. But I would have dared you to race me and left you in my wake.

Yes, it is preferable that those of us who are bigger feel shamed and depressed, right? When I was swimming 2-3 hours a day, I was a size 12, which I have a feeling you'd consider obese. But I would have dared you to race me and left you in my wake.

Even though I've heard enough of your swimmingwhenIwaslikefouryearsold banter, I'd challenge you any day to any form of physical contest. I'm pretty sure I'd beat you, hands down.

I'm pretty sure I'd beat you, hands down.

Highly doubtful, considering I walk a 12-15 minute mile. I can still swim for an hour nonstop and have trained for the Alcatraz swim. And you?

I'll await your science that disproves the DSM IV view of anorexia!

Obesity leads to far more deaths per year than Anorexia and Bulimia combined.

And being healthy, if big? Sure, weighing 400 lbs is a health nightmare, as is starving oneself as a man to wear his girlfriend's clothes (one of Robbie's bragging points). But it seems that in our culture, if you are healthy and a size 14 you are looked down on. Very rare that a person who is a size 2 or 4 gets rude looks in public in my experience. Nor do I, generally--no one believes it when I say what I weigh at my height.

And yes, you can be healthy and a size 14.

I'm not trying to one-up anyone, Emily. I am merely arguing that it is possible to be fit and bigger. I did not name call here and don't like being called out for what I didn't do.

I've deleted one direct personal insult.

She's been calling me mentally ill for the entire time this has been going on and all sorts of other insulting stuff. Yet you only see it fit to destroy my comment?

I did not name call here and don't like being called out for what I didn't do.

Who are you trying to kid?

TJG, no one is saying that you can't be healthy and big. What we are saying is that once you reach a certain size, you're no longer healthy. The woman is this article has exceeded what any nutritionist or doctor would consider to be healthy.

The woman is this article has exceeded what any nutritionist or doctor would consider to be healthy.

As I am this woman's size, you are directly insulting me. And you are wrong. As I have stated above, I am in great health. And unless you are that woman's doctor (or mine), you have no way to support your words that she specifically is unhealthy.

There is a difference between feeling healthy and actually being healthy. Obesity, like smoking, has long term effects that you may not discover until it's too late.

I am not insulting you nor her. You have made lifestyle choices that have led to an unhealthy weight. I pass no judgement on those choices. I am simply making a statement of fact.

Well, except that I am not unhealthy, nor does that woman seem to be. I've been in this range all my life, I am active and I eat well and correctly. Would you suggest that I (or her) would be better off on a starvation diet and 4 hour workouts to fit the BMI numbers for our heights? The lifestyle choices I have made are to be active and eat well...and this is who I am and the weight that I am. So obviously, this is healthy for me.

The lifestyle choices I have made are to be active and eat well...and this is who I am and the weight that I am. So obviously, this is healthy for me.

The lifestyle choices I make are to be active and not eat... and this is who I am and the weight I am. So obviously, this is healthy for me.

Get 'ma drift, darlin'?

Would you suggest that I (or her) would be better off on a starvation diet and 4 hour workouts to fit the BMI numbers for our heights?

Yes, I would. But then, I only have decades of scientific evidence on my side. On your side, you have your feelings. I'm not talking about you getting a cold or the flu or feeling sick. I am talking about how you are accelerating the breakdown of your body over time - which will lead to an earlier death, with a good chance of having the last decade being miserable.

I can show you plenty of smokers that are "healthy" today as well. Are you going to tell me that they're making a worthwhile lifestyle choice in slowly developing lung cancer?

I'll listen to my doctor over you, thanks.

I have my feelings and my experience. Which is, even when I exercised for hours a day, I was one, maybe two sizes smaller. And starvation diets are incredibly bad for one's body and health.

But then, you aren't my MD, so it's moot. I could also live to 100 and enjoy every moment of it.

My grandmother is just like me, just as active, and she's strong as a fiddle and 79 years old...so maybe, just maybe, my health is better than you wish to admit.

Strong as a fiddle, eh? Not to mix metaphors or anything.

TJG, that's fine if you want to believe that your doctor is just looking out for you. Would you still go to your doctor if they told you to take on such a diet to live an extra 20 years in better health? Perhaps, like my great grandparents - you could be inching towards your centenary someday. Or would you simply ignore them and find a doctor that will tell you what you want to her?

Personally, I will trust actual scientific research being done by actual biologists about what I should put into my body over a doctor who treats me after I already get sick.

There are no guarantees, Henry. None. You could be (like my uncle) healthy, just married and 39 years old, on your ay to work and killed in a train wreck. You could have a stroke or trip and break your neck. Personally, I'd rather eat healthfully, yet enjoy what I eat and prepare (I cook 90% of my own meals) than go about starving myself for some potential, possible gain 50-60 years from now. YMMV, though.

Your way of eating just doesn't appeal to me--life is about enjoyment and pleasure. Quality over quantity. After all, all you have is now and from seeing things such as my uncle dying so young, I've learned to live in the moment and let the future sort itself out. And my family is long-lived, so I have good genes. The grandmother I most resemble, body-wise was 85 when she died in her sleep.

It's funny that you agree with science suddenly, when you were ignoring it above, when I mentioned the science on anorexia being a mental disorder.

I'll stick with my doctor and with what I know about me--if training as a varsity swimmer didn't touch my BMI, I'm sure as heck not going to waste time depriving myself of the many pleasures of life--not to mention that as an anemic person with low blood sugar, going without food or starving myself could be dangerous.

Why is it so hard to realize that some people are just born bigger?

Your way of living doesn't appeal to me.

Why is it so hard to realise that some people just want to be skinny?

Ask the American Psychiatric Association--they are the ones who are studied and who categorized anorexia as a mental disorder.

Honestly, I don't care what a consenting adult does. What I care about is what kids, unaware of facts, do in the name of "coolness" or because of poor self-image. I believe in empowering kids and if I were to have a child with an eating disorder, I would have him/her meet with a psychiatrist. A child starving him/herself could seriously affect her growth and development.

The things that offend me are on the lines of a childhood friend of mine who became anorexic because of constant criticism and comments from her gymnastics coach (she was extremely talented, but had something like 2% body fat that wouldn't budge, no matter how little she ate).

The irony of starving oneself is that it causes the body to hang on to what you do eat, which can increase your chances of becoming big if you ever do eat normally (1000-1500 calories per day). Just like a person living on fast food, the person starving him or herself is probably malnourished, lacking vitamins and minerals and proteins necessary for life.

I believe in a healthy attitude towards food--eat what is fresh and in season, enjoy what you eat and don't use it as a punishment or a reward. Food is one of life's great pleasures.

I do enjoy what I eat. I'm not trying to be cool and I don't have self-images problems to do with my size. I'm not a kid, I'm not stupid. I never have been, never will be. Same deal with my friends.

Your example of the gymnast coach; that's the result of shallowness and is an 'extreme' case. As I've been trying to get across to you, not every anorexic/bulimic person fits into the mold of extremism. Do you also believe every Muslim is a terrorist?

As I have said, I'm perfectly healthy. There are other ways to get vitamins into your body other than food.

You believe in a healthy attitude toward food. I believe in a healthy attitude toward life.

Oh and, I don't give a flying crap about the APA. They generalise, big whoop.

Vitamin pills and powders aren't as readily absorbed by the body, though. One of my biggest issues is iron--as an anemic, I have to eat beef or beans several times a week to keep my levels up, though I'd prefer to be a vegetarian. Iron pills are almost useless, absorption-wise.

And I disagree that my friend's coach is an extreme case--young girls especially are bombarded with messages that being a size 4 is too big by the media, by friends, by coaches. My 17 year old cousin is convinced that she is "huge" and "fat." She's 6 feet tall and weights 110 pounds and is athletic. That is scary to me and to her parents. She admitted to being suicidal because of it, because of no matter how much she cut back her food, she wasn't losing inches on her body.

I believe there is eating healthy, and there is being sick. Sick is eating too much or too little--anorexia and bulimia are diseases, IMO. And in a general way, I tend to not believe those who have the disease to be completely honest with themselves, the same way I wouldn't trust an addict to admit to having a problem. But if that addict is an adult, capable of consent, go ahead and live as he pleases. If the person was close to me, I might have an intervention or a discussion, but in the end, it is that person's life to live.

And yes, I have slim friends who eat incredible amounts of food but don't gain a pound--I'd consider them healthy, as that is their body type. Just as my body type is stocky, with good childbearing hips (too bad I don't want kids!)

TJG, there is always the possibility that one could die in an accident. Once again, I'm not going to start smoking to look cool because I might die in an accident. In the same way, I'm not going to start eating fast food, soda, foods that are high in sugar, nor fried foods simply because I could die early. I find that there are so many more pleasures that can be had in life other than food. I will not let cheeseburgers end my life at 60 when avoiding them (and their like) could let me see the dawn of another century. It's about priorities. I am not saying that your priorities are wrong, just that what most people consider to be a healthy diet is anything but healthy.

Biology and psychology are very different. Biology is a hard science, while psychology is not. That being said, nowhere did I state that anorexia is not a mental disorder. I simply pointed out that simply eating less than is recommended does not make one anorexic. One must actually fear gaining weight for one to be anorexic. Also, I posited that if anorexia is a mental disorder - chronic overeating should be considered a mental disorder as well.

Calorie restriction and eating healthily is not about starving oneself to lose weight. I still eat enough everyday (albeit less than the government's recommended daily amount). I use an alternate food guide pyramid that focuses far more on vegetables and fish and on meat and fruit (though I do eat less than those recommended amounts as well). I have more energy now than when I was in college eating pizza every other day.

Do you think that by following such a regimen I am getting less out of life? Perhaps I am simply looking more long term, but when I see my great grandparents in their late nineties - I know that I don't want to be under constant supervision from the day I retire. I also look at the technologies that are arising today that will help humanity to live far beyond what is considered natural today (while remaining healthy). I don't want to die of a heart attack before I can take advantage of such discoveries.

I have to eat beef or beans several times a week to keep my levels up, though I'd prefer to be a vegetarian.

Total cereal, 1 ounce - 18.0mg
Eat one ounce per day, and your iron needs are covered.

I have slim friends who eat incredible amounts of food but don't gain a pound--I'd consider them healthy, as that is their body type.

I can eat anything I want and not gain weight. I don't do so because I know that it isn't healthy! Just because I won't gain a pound after eating three Big Macs does not mean doing so is healthy. They are likely quite malnourished if they don't eat properly.

, I'm not going to start eating fast food, soda, foods that are high in sugar, nor fried foods simply because I could die early.

I don't eat those, either. My typical menu is:

breakfast--oatmeal with skim milk and a sprinkling of dried fruit, usually at 6:30 AM At 10 AM, I have an energy bar (usually a Lara Bar, I like that they are simple ingredients). I have usually 2 mugs of coffee each morning with a touch of half and half.

lunch--a pita filled with greens, meat, tomatoes, olive oil and a container of yogurt.

dinner--a cup of pasta with sauce, a serving (the size of my palm) of fish or meat and a veggie as a side. I will have a dessert, a small slice of cake or a couple cookies or a serving of fruit. I usually have 6-8 ounces of juice in a day and about 40 ounces of water.

I guess where we differ is that you live for the distant future, I focus on the here and now. I'm happy you are happy, really. And I am also happy with my diet, my size, my life.

You know, I know people who live purely off powders and water. They are the most healthy people I've even come across and have life expectancies that make yours look like you're already dead.

I'm one of them.

Yes, I have a fear of gaining weight, technically I'm anorexic. Am I dead? Nope. Am I dying? Nope. Are my organs more healthy than yours? You betcha.

Are my organs more healthy than yours? You betcha

Proof?

Proof?

...is in the pudding.

Which I don't eat.

I guess where we differ is that you live for the distant future, I focus on the here and now. I'm happy you are happy, really. And I am also happy with my diet, my size, my life.

I suppose you could say that I live for the future... if the only factor in life were food. It's great that you are happy. I never said you shouldn't be happy. I was arguing about what we consider to be healthy.

Yes, I have a fear of gaining weight, technically I'm anorexic. Am I dead? Nope. Am I dying? Nope. Are my organs more healthy than yours? You betcha.

I'd wager that the logical centers of your principal nervous organ do not seem to be firing on cylinders when you make sweeping statements like that without any real evidence in hand. You are just trying to score "points" in some sort of meaningless game at this point.

Do you have proof that they are not?

I'm not the one flinging the bold assertions about, you are. The burden lies entirely on you, I'm afraid.

Mmhmmm...

BMI doesn't really apply to anyone with an active lifestyle. I'm not saying that she necessarily does, but it's important to remember that many athletes are morbidly obese according to the BMI, and many people with sedentary lifestyles and rock solid BMIs are still candidates for myocardial infarction. The number is a guide, not an ironclad rule. Other factors, that cannot be determined from an Internet article, must be accounted for.

Well she's not exactly a marathon runner.

Anyone can tell from the bikini photo that excess muscle is not her problem.

And you're not exactly her physician.

Have you seen the bikini photo?

And you're not exactly her physician.

Because only physicians can tell the difference between muscle and fat?

Well she's not exactly a marathon runner.

I've run a few marathons, and more importantly spectated at a few. I recommend you do the same for this reason:

-to observe that people her size can and do run marathons.

Now, it's not the norm; most people running a marathon look like, just, people. A good number of them are quite thin, most look pretty fit, but beyond about a 3:30 finish time, you're gonna get some surprising body types crossing that finish line.

It was seeing a guy with a gut beat me in an endurance event that led me to the inevitable conclusion that some people are just big cause god wants them that way. If you can't get thin by training for and running a marathon, it ain't gonna happen.

Well, what I said was a figure of speech. However I do run marathons, but I've never seen someone her size at one.

you must be faster than most. Hang around to see the 5 hour plus finishers sometime.

Judging from you ID picture, either are you.

Sorry if that was cruel, but people who live in glass houses, and so on.

Okay, well, since I'm a lightweight and live in a weatherboard:

She is not close to being in shape.

jdoyle,

You need to stop personally attacking posters. It is against the Newsvine COH.

Sorry if I hurt your feelings but when you say outrageous offense things you are bound to get bad responses.

Nothing he said was outrageous.

Maybe I was wrong but it seemed he was making fun of her because of her weight. That is what is wrong with US society; thin is in and those who are over weight especially young women feel like there is something wrong with them if they are not.

Eating disorders and the harm they cause are no joke and most of them can be traced to the cold malice of those making fun of over weight people.
The irony is that Observer himself looks pretty over weight judging from his picture, so I though it was disgusting that he would hold a 17 year old girl to some standard he himself doest strive for.

You see, America isn't the world. Thin isn't 'in' in any culture on the planet. Actually, if you notice, most Americans and Britons are overweight and the percentage of overweight completely out-numbers those that are, say, like me. This is a growing epidemic world-wide.

As I've said countless times. All cases over eating disorders combined doesn't come close to the stretch of overweight people with health problems.

Pull your head out of Hollywood.

Obesity is a problem in the US and other places but so are eating disorders.
Young girls die from them.

Millions more die of obesity-related disease.

It's not just girls that are anorexic, you know. Boys can be too.

How many women and girls commit suicide because they don't measure up (in their minds) to the ideals of society?

How many live with organ problems because of anorexia? How many worry over each little calorie?

I don't know the exact statistics, but I can tell you for a fact that more overweight people (males and females, since males exist too,) commit suicide from being depressed/too sick from, you know. Being fat.

How many live with organ problems because of being overweight? Damn lot more than then amount of skinny people.

How many worry over each little calorie? You know, not just skinny people worry about this. Most people do. Maybe not to the point of logging it down, but people care.

And why are they depressed? Because society treats them poorly for not fitting the perfect size 2 mold. Because they think they are useless unless they fit into a size 2.

For starters, you're twisting subjects to try to make a point. Bad.

Second, suicide is an image thing. Always has been, always will be. People don't have to be happy with the way they look. They can judge themselves over what society wants them to be if they want. That's their choice.

You may not have a problem with your image. You may dribble over the second commandment all day every day, however it doesn't mean it's right and you should neither resort to insults nor try to force people into believe their way of living and the image they have of themselves is wrong.

If I think a friend is sick, or jeopardizing her/his health, I will comment. I will worry. That is who I am.

By the same token, you shouldn't be thinking that everyone who is of larger stature is unhealthy or a glutton or even capable of losing weight. As I said above, some people are just born bigger, some smaller. For whatever reason, I have a genetic code that won't let my size drop below a size twelve...maybe my ancestors lived through a famine that caused those with fat-retaining genes to thrive, who knows? And yes, part of it is me--I simply won't starve myself, partly due to necessity (hypoglycemia and anemia) and partly because I don't like my tummy rumbling and because I love food in all its forms, be it a juicy pear or a five-course Italian feast.

If I think a friend is sick, or jeopardizing her/his health, I will comment.

Yet you get upset with us for doing the same thing...

Word.

Well, maybe if you guys stopped with the stereotypes that people of my size eat nothing but fast food and soda and fry everything...

Uh, you started it by telling me I'm a miserable surgery whore with a mental illness.

Henry, you wouldn't happen to have statistics readily at hand about fat people and fast food?

Here are some stats I found. None are directly related to fast food, though. That said, if you fry a cheap burger at home - it's going to be pretty much just as bad as getting it at McDonald's. Fast food is simply an easy scapegoat because so many people use it because it's convenient.

A lack of exercise is also a major contributor to American obesity.

A lack of exercise is also a major contributor to American obesity.

Change that to the major contributor and you'd be a lot closer to the mark. We still eat like we are going to go tend the back 40 after lunch and bale hay in the morning, and then go sit in front of the computer and snark at each other instead of getting a physical activity in.

PS: Marathon runners are usually quite unhealthy from an objective standpoint: they have too little in the way of fat reserves, and are prone to kidney and liver problems, not to mention all of the joint damage. From my recent experience, I'd also add that they are arrogant asses with overweening superiority complexes, but my sample size is small. More research is needed on that front.

I'd also add that they are arrogant asses with overweening superiority complexes

A shame that you generalise so quickly.

Real mature.

You're one to talk.

I'm not the one going around calling skinny people broomsticks that have just come out of a prison camp.

AdipicAcid you're better off not feeding the trolls like Lil' Robbie.

Says the troll...