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Tea Party fizzles while Coffee Party rallies?

Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:24 PM EDT
taxes, politics, california, tea-party, coffee-party
By MoeZilla

On both April 15 and April 16, a rival group called the Coffee Party began appearing to show their support for government programs - and their willingness to rally for more than one day.

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"Organizers were hoping for 1,000 people to join the protest," said one California newscaster. And at that Tea Party rally in Stockton, their on-the-spot reporter said "they're also hoping to stretch completely down that sidewalk over there.

"As you can see, that sidewalk over there is empty."

He estimated that just 150 people showed up for the tiny rally, and had his camera pan across the empty sidewalk. (You can watch the video of that news report here.) Meanwhile, California's state capitol saw "the largest Tea Party rally on the west coast," according to other news reports they cited. But the size of that rally was only around 2,000, according to the Associated Press. And I witnessed the event and saw even fewer people. Three of the four sides around Sacramento's capitol building were nearly empty, while the crowd clustered around the stage on the capitol's west end. (It's an 80% drop from last year's Sacramento rally, which organizers estimated at over 10,000 people.)

But the low turnout is even more ominous when you consider the chilling effect it had on other organizations. According to the city officials, Tea Party organizers reserved all four sides of the capitol building, so no counter-protesters could be issued a permit for the same day. (In a Facebook comment, one Tea Party member had warned that "You may be escorted off the premises," adding "the police have been put on notice.") Tea Party organizers even reserved the capitol grounds for the entire day, though their protest wasn't scheduled to start until noon.

This move was seen as "preventing opposing voices from being heard," according to an activist in a new group called the Coffee Party that had wanted to stage a pro-government rally. But he added, "Nobody is acting in bad faith. It's the tone of the actions." And to show their support for the government - and a more civil discussion - 20 members from their group staged a rally on a road leading to the Sacramento state capitol.

And symbolically, they returned to continue their rally on April 16th. Their message? Their group supports the government's work, and they'll show their support on more than one day a year...

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Lifeguard

The Coffee Party--We're Chock Full O' Nuts!

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:53 AM EDT
Brandon-801865

Part of the problem is that those who would like to attend Coffee Party rallies are well-educated and employed....unlike Baggers.

I would attend Coffee Party rallies were I not working 70 hours a week supporting the unemployed or retired Baggers.

Don't worry, though, Baggers will be a blip on the screen of American History, while the longue duree of the Coffee Party, with a gradual uptake, will endure for a great period of time.

My apologies to all the anti-modern xenophobes for using French.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:33 PM EDT
Rationalthinker

Tea Partiers are more highly educated than the average person, Brandon. Perhaps if you bothered to read the news, you would be aware of this. That is why the Tea Party demonstrations where held during lunch and after work.

Perhaps one day Obama's liberal spell will wear off of you....but I doubt it. Go back to work (a likely story) supporting the 47% of Americans who pay no income taxes and who are undoubtedly Obama voters.

The Coffee Party is a joke and will fizzle out like a bad fart.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:04 PM EDT
lol-1764234

to reply to ignorant brandon

isn't this what you voted for? support freeloaders? so what are you complaining about?

Chance is that freeloaders are people who like yourself voted for the bama, you remember? to have him pay gas bills and loans. That was the typical obama voter, the manifesto of freeloading

PS: nobody believes you work 70 hours a week, you could as well write 700

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
Lifeguard

Brandon, alas, this pudgy white xenophobic bagger from the backwoods of Fairfax County always meant to learn a little French, but in school I was simply too busy getting a M.S. in Operations Research (that's "hard math" to you liberal arts dropouts) and learning Latin, Spanish, Russian, fluent German, and surprisinglysuprisingly enough, fluent Farsi (shhhh....it's the language them crazy brown people in I-Ran speak!) on the side. I like to think it's my lifetime of math studies which led me to conclude that Obama's policies "don't add up."

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:03 PM EDT
Brandon-801865

Lifeguard, my sympathies for your self-described, corpulent, anti-cosmopolitanism.

If only Reza Shah Pahlavi had had a "kinder, gentler" Savak, I suppose ;-)

Anyway, what, again, doesn't "add up" regarding the 13th century Bagger Movement?

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:18 PM EDT
Eric-1764320

Brandon,

Who do you think you're fooling by claiming to work 70 hours a week? Here's a tip, you freeloading parasite: spending 70 hours asleep in your mother's basement does not constitute work. Do yourself a favor, go back to bed, rest your fragmented brain, and leave the productive work to those of us who have our hard-earned money confiscated to support bums like you.

    #1.6 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:01 PM EDT
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    Bill-1740460

    This article is a pretty desperate attempt to compare a molehill to a mountain.

    Even funnier that someone is supporting our government's effort to be $1.3 trillion in the hole. Are these people insane? How anyone in their right mind could support the amount of spending going on in DC is beyond the rational person to understand.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#2 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:00 PM EDT
    Mike O-369068

    The Coffee Party? have they fielded even 50 for any event yet? 25? When they get to 3 digits, let me know. Our steering committee meetings for our small Tea Party group dwarf the Coffee party meetings the press advertises. In the meantime, we Tea Party types will continue to have our rallies of thousands and tens of thousands all over the country. However, they are becoming far less important that our political actions at this point. Sign waving is coming to an end; work for fiscally conservative candidates is underway. And some of us have been quite successful at the primary level already.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#3 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:20 PM EDT
    Slinger-958418

    Spoken like a true arrogant, spoiled, and selfish Tea Bagger. <Hint: It is really NOT all about YOU>

    • 5 votes
    #3.1 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:37 PM EDT
    Odel Roo

    Spoken like a true bagee... have no original thoughts, I know I'll call them, names that'll learn em.

    • 2 votes
    #3.2 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
    Mike O-369068

    And spoken like a true Tea Party opponent: emotional, irrational and nothing but name calling.

    No, it's not about us; it's about not leaving our children a fully bankrupt nation.

    • 2 votes
    #3.3 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:20 PM EDT
    Finch-2877841

    Where were you 'baggers at when GW was bankrupting the country? I work 70 hours a week from home (oh I know-it sucks to have a comfy chair whilst I make pretty pictures for my less fortunate corporate clients), pay taxes and make more than enough for my coffee, my rediculous graphic design software binges & even manage to stuff some kids, a wife and my ailing elderly father in a pretty fancy place in DC. So my taxes go up? Cool. Health care is a bitch for those with none, but I guess they have to ull themselves up by the boot-straps. Those poor lily-white fairfax county, Eastern Shore children who's bootstraps were pawned off to save the trailer-ill pay my taxes for them, the other out-of-work Americans regardless of race, my roads and bridges which are falling down in front of us and hoepfully we can cut out running around stupidly in the Mid-East and pay for better schools for my fellow Americans. Even the greedy, uninformed placidly racist ones who have no idea what the Tea Party stands for because the Tea Party stands for nothing but fear-but is too afraid to say so.

      #3.4 - Thu Jan 6, 2011 5:54 PM EST
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      John-1764211

      Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ....this sure is good comedy. For a second there, when I read the headline, I thought I was reading something from The Onion.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#4 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:47 PM EDT
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      Cara C-1764223

      The Tea Party is for freedom and fiscal sanity.

      Those who oppose these things are for...what? Slavery to the state and reckless government spending until our dollars are Monopoly money?

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:20 PM EDT
      Slinger-958418

      The Tea Party is for freedom and fiscal sanity.

      And, the opposition is for more equal middle class, and not lining the pockets of Wall Street Executives, Bankers, Big Pharma etc. And, to do that these greedy corporations have to have regulation. They aren't just going to willingly give up all those HUGE bonus's. They have stolen money from the pockets of Americans to line their own pockets. So yes, I would rather have bigger government to control the corporate greed.

      • 3 votes
      #5.1 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:34 PM EDT
      Cara C-1764223

      Big business is in bed with big government. They are representing their own interests through controlling regulatory boards that make it impossible for small companies to compete. They are using government to cement their upper hand. In a free market, we the people decide how we will interact with each other and which companies we will support with our dollars. When government controls the markets, the people lose freedom and money.

      • 1 vote
      #5.2 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:08 PM EDT
      Slinger-958418

      and which companies we will support with our dollars

      We have NO control over that at all. Case in point, Big Pharma.

        #5.3 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:35 PM EDT
        Eric-1764320

        Slinger,

        Your economic illiteracy (coupled with your know-nothing arrogance) is simply breathtaking. Rather than spouting lame talking points about the "evils" of "Big Pharma" (whatever the hell that is), you might want to educate yourself on what exactly it takes for a pharmaceutical company to bring a high-demand treatment to market. Let's put it this way: they risk a ton of money at the beginning in R&D, FDA compliance, regulatory and legal hurdles and other red tape...then they have their hands tied by self-important Congressional blowhards (without a day's worth of business experience, mind) who scrutinize the methods they employ to publicize the market launch to physicians and the public. Then, when some stakeholders finally realize the financial benefit of putting their own time, money and productivity at risk, they have to contend with the ignorance of Marxist sheep. The primary reason that this nation's economy is in the toilet is that we have to waste so much valuable time and effort carrying dead weight like you.

          #5.4 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:27 PM EDT
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          Dr. Dean

          The left supports radically increased taxes, deficits and debt and believe the obvious negative effects of such a fiscal policy will never manifest simply because that would prove that the Tea Party is right.

          The left is coming out of the closet and finally admitting that they seek an unprecedented transfer of wealth from 'rich' people and 'evil' corporations to them and their fellow lefty voters. You know,'Obama gonna pay their mortgage' and all that... And they stomp their feet and throw an hissy fit that because the middle and right don't accept that ever-growing government control over our lives is what is best for us.

          What's profoundly funny is that leftist citizens are actually setting themselves up to be Tea Bagged long, deep and hard by the government, over and over again until they are no longer of use to those in power. Oh, they don't see it quite that way of course - because they've been told not to.

          But their willing march away from freedom perfectly fits the historical record because that is exactly how inevitably repressive leftist governments assume, then grow their power. They convince the gullible that their promises of unicorns, rainbows and pax nirvana (universal health care, equality of outcome for everyone, the wealthy taxed out of existence, yada, yada, yada...) can be achieved simply and easily by massive redistribution of wealth and exchanging a relatively free economic system for the idea that a handful of elites in government know best what is right for all of us and giving them the power to act accordingly.

          Because after all, the left just knows without thinking that allowing people their inalienable rights of self-determination ( you know, freedom, liberty, and other quaint non-progressive concepts that were written about by a bunch of old white men in the dim past...) just won't do because it is racist, sexist, and other 'ists', not to mention downright scary, and worst of all inevitably results in some people making more money that others. And that just cannot be tolerated.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#6 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
          Here we go...

          What about the obvious and inherent racism in the Coffee Party? I mean just look at that picture. Nothing but a bunch of white people.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#7 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:21 PM EDT
          gundy_75

          LOL!

          • 2 votes
          #7.1 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:25 PM EDT
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          Juliej

          Now why would anyone believe this article?  We all know from past events that the media prefers to reflect lower numbers than the actual turnout.   So.... this is a very bias AND superficial article.  When are people going to stop ready this stuff?

           

           

          • 1 vote
          Reply#8 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:32 PM EDT
          Wayne F

          Five people in the photo! Thats a bunch! Good luck with that!

          • 1 vote
          Reply#9 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:34 PM EDT
          Emily-1764349

          Anybody find the morality preaching of the left to be getting old?

          It used to be the left accused the right of preachiness. . . but now, I wonder, can the left see how they practice this morality preaching? Social justice! Social justice! while at the same time spouting insults about intelligence levels, education levels, job status, race, gender, etc. This was not Martin Luther King Jr.'s idea of social justice that lefties seem to be embracing as their operating morality.

          "Social justice"as the left preaches has nothing to do with justice for all human beings. Somebody has been listening to false prophets instead of paying attention to the facts. Lefties, if you buy "social justice" as your operating morality, you better be certain you're not oppressing someone, anyone - even if it's the opposition. You will come out of the mix as a total hypocrite.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#10 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:40 PM EDT
          Karen-1764393

          If I am not mistaken, the coffee party is being organized by an out-of-work former NY Times, Obama 2008 organizer. Enough said.

            Reply#11 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:18 PM EDT
            Texasguy01

            18,000 showed up in Dallas. My guess is that it was small was because traffic is horrible at that point. One rally was held due to many security threats. Smaller local rallies would have been my preference.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#12 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:25 PM EDT
            redsfan

            I can understand why the tea party rallies are getting smaller and smaller...the more intelligent tea partiers are realizing that the things they are protesting have not happened and that in fact, their fears are more likely to be realized by the Republicans, so thank goodness the Democrats are in charge.

            April 15 has become a kind of May Day for the Tea Party movement, prompting protests across the country both last year and this to insist that we've been "taxed enough already.......So what do we know about how much Americans have been taxed under Obama?...just focusing on developments since the Tea Party movement emerged fourteen months ago, roughly 98% of Americans received a break on their Federal taxes for 2009.

            A second clear grievance is a broader one against tyranny. As I wrote last Fall, when it comes to things that most people think of as manifestly tyrannical forms of government abuse of power - like warrantless surveillance of individuals, torture, and other clear violations of due process and people's basic rights, the Tea Party movement should have become upset at the prospect of tyranny in America long before February of 2009.

            But what about other clear forms of tyranny and abuse of power, including instances where large private corporations rip-off ordinary taxpayers while government either turns a blind eye or actively abets the abuse? Indeed, the Tea Party movement has decried Wall Street bailouts. But the movement's rejection of bailouts has not been accompanied by any policy agenda to stop such things from happening again. Where, for example, is the Tea Party insistence on significant regulatory reform to mitigate abuse by large corporations?

            Whether their grievances are a proxy for other concerns, people can decide for themselves. I've already made quite clear my suspicions in this regard (and the New York Times recent poll of supporters does show that Tea Party identifiers are about twice as likely as the average respondent to say we spend too much time worrying about Blacks). Regardless, it's hard to conclude that the movement is anything but a fraud given the vast disconnect between the movement's supposed principles and the targets of their intense anger since their inception.

            Why the Tea Party is a Fraud

            • 2 votes
            Reply#13 - Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:07 PM EDT
            Emily-1764349

            November's coming.

            I smell fear. The stench is getting worse.

            • 1 vote
            #13.1 - Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:29 PM EDT
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